Paraphrased for brevity and clarity:
Her: You don’t need god (sic) to explain creation. Multiple universes explains exactly how our universe came to be.

Me: Even if it were a valid hypothesis, which it isn’t, MUT only pushes First Cause back one step. It doesn’t eliminate the logical necessity.

Her: It’s more valid that some imaginary sky-daddy!

Me: First, anthropomorphization is not a necessary attribute of God. Second, God is a logical axiom, not an hypothesis. Third, MUT is untestable, and therefore not “more valid” than anything. Your approval is not the definition of scientific validity. But let me ask you this: let’s assume that there are multiple universes. What separates them?

Her: Well, normal space, I guess.

Me: Of course. Normal space. Between universes.
Him: The more extraordinary claim has burden of proof! You have to prove your god! (sic)

Me: Actually, “the more extraordinary claim” is determined by status quo. Given that about 90% of the population has been theist for the entirety of human existence, that makes theism as quo as a status gets. Burden of proof is on atheism.

Him: But theism is a claim that a god exists! Atheism is just a lack of belief. We don’t have to prove a lack of belief.

Me: False, both etymologically and historically. The “lack of belief” is agnosticism–and before you go there, it is no more valid to refer to agnosticism as ‘weak atheism’ than it is to refer to it as ‘weak theism.’ Atheism, from the Greek “a-” (“without”) “theos” (“god”), is a positive claim about the nature of the universe–specifically, that there is no form of divinity. And it is certainly not the status quo.
Her: That pizza shop recieved public utilities, so they have to serve ALL of the public!

Me: First of all, private businesses do not “receive public utilities” in the United States. Utilities are a public and private cooperative, which both individuals and business pay PRIVATELY for the goods that they provide. Secondly, you cannot FORCE someone to participate in such a cooperative (which is how utilities work), and then use that very coerced participation to justify stripping private businesses and citizens of their right of association. Are you trolling?

Her: No, just being honest. We all pay for the maintenance of public utilities, so businesses have to serve everyone.

Me: I’m pretty sure that utility companies pay for their own maintenance with the revenue that they generate. Nonetheless, if your sense of ethics is really so skewed that you want to use an electric bill to strip people of their basic human rights–make death-threats against them, in fact–then you should be forcing the 1.5% minority to comply with the 80% majority, and not vice-versa. Nor do I see you making this argument on threads where homosexual-owned businesses were recorded refusing service to Christians. So don’t pretend that there is some sort of virtue in your drive to totalitarianism. We have seen these steps before, by every Socialist dictator of the 20th century. The dance is well-known, and there is no virtue in it.
Me: Science explains HOW a thing occurs; it cannot explain WHY.

Her: That’s just total ignorance of science. I have worked in an office of scientists for years, and they explain “why” all the time! Why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Because a huge meteor hit the planet!

Me: You are confusing the two questions.
–HOW is a question of PROCESS: How did the dinosaurs go extinct? A giant meteor hit the planet, devastating the ecosystem beyond the dinosaurs’ ability to adapt. Science works by creating predictive models. Models show HOW a thing occurs, so this is within the scope of scientific inquiry.
–WHY, on the other hand, is a question of PURPOSE. Why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Perhaps because a race of super-intelligent aliens wanted to pave the way for mammalian dominance on Earth. Purpose is a metaphysical characteristic; it cannot be modeled, and therefore lies outside the scope of scientific inquiry.

Published by Little-Known Blogger

I spent the first years of my life in a trailer park outside of a tiny town in rural Missouri. I grew up to be a long-haired, gun-hating, military-hating, Presbyterian super-liberal. Well, perhaps the “growing up” happened later. While in high school, I was on the cross-country and wrestling teams, and actually won my weight-class in a State powerlifting competition. I went on to attend college on a Bright Flight scholarship, where I promptly became an atheist. I trained for a few years in Shotokan karate and Cheng-system taijiquan before training in my first real martial art, Hwarang-Do, under the late Franklin Fowlkes (later the Founder and Grandmaster of the Five Elements Martial Arts System). I married an older Taiwanese woman my junior year, got divorced in short order, and dropped out of college. After completing my AA in Psychology, I decided I needed a complete change of scenery and joined the U.S. Marine Corps (having early been assured that there was no way that a skinny liberal like me would ever survive Boot Camp). Contrary to what the Hipster Zombies will tell you, this did not “brainwash me into being a Conservative”. Instead, it made me a very unhappy, short-haired liberal, surrounded by guns and the military. However, I spent my whole contract (after schools) on the island of Okinawa, where I was exposed to points of view not dominated by the American liberal media. During this time, I taught ESL classes as a side-job, trained under some of the highest-ranking masters of karate on Okinawa, and discovered the practice of Buddhism. I also spent some time in Korea, where I got to train in hapkido. It was during this period that I came gradually to realize how stupid and evil American liberalism actually is. This was partly due to my Military Police command sending me to Small Arms Instructor school, which gave me more exposure to guns than I could ever have imagined—thus negating my idiotic liberal distaste for them. After the active-duty portion of my Marine Corps contract was over, I worked several jobs, from security contracts to operating a forklift in a warehouse. In 2002, however, when the invasion of Iraq was getting under way, I signed up with the Missouri Army National Guard, and have remained with them since, continuing as a Military Policeman. I am also full-time corrections officer, a member of the Anglican Church, and at one time was an Instructor Candidate in Dekiti-Tirsia Serradas Kali (until my instructor moved away). My hobbies (beyond blogging) include strength training, shooting sports, martial arts, creating digital art, and being a huge science and science-fiction geek.

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